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Poster: rdenirojb87 Date: Jun 5, 2012 7:51am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Best '80s China>Rider?

My favorites never seem to stay the same for too long. 3/9/81 was always my favorite, but I currently enjoy this one more:

http://archive.org/details/gd1982-10-10.sonyecm220T.keshavan.miller.93733.sbeok.flac24


What's your favorite?

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Poster: sakanaband Date: Apr 18, 2013 10:07am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Best '80s China>Rider?


I have a review of this little-known gem of a show. Jerry flubs and early lyric in China and then rips the rest. 16.5 minutes of cool heat.
http://archive.org/details/gd1981-03-03.nak700.wagner.miller.90473.sbeok.flac16


16.5 minutes total [C > R] that actually cover previously undiscovered territory. A bit of MIDI, but enhances rather than distracts in this instance.
http://archive.org/details/gd1989-10-11.mtx.hansokolow.96599.flac16

The best C>R I ever saw, hands down. While the China is simply superb, the Rider is in one of their career best. The rest of the set is truly spectacular also. Too bad the "Terrapin Station" official release was so poorly mixed to take awake all the excitement and pizazz of a stunning band performance. Highly recommended!
http://archive.org/details/gd1990-03-15.AUD.LaPorte.115935.Flac16

Thank you all tapers, tech wizards and forum friends! And GD, of course.

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Poster: wisconsindead Date: Jun 5, 2012 1:38pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Best '80s China>Rider?

Interesting,

10-10-82 is my new favorite 80s china rider as well.

Though I still think DP 32 (8-7-82) has a better version.

and sticking with my predictability... 1989-07-17 has a seriously killer version which ends like a first set would, but the second set has only begun

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Poster: clementinescaboose Date: Jun 5, 2012 8:16pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Best '80s China>Rider?

3-9-81 sure is nice, but I agree 8-7-82 takes the cake...never thought a '80s China>Rider could compare to my beloved '73 and '74 versions, but damn if this one isn't amazing...

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Poster: The Bopper Date: Jun 7, 2012 8:55am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Best '80s China>Rider?

I concur as well, 8-7-82 is my favorite!

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Poster: pinyonjay Date: Jun 8, 2012 5:40pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Best '80s China>Rider?

Yep - the China/Rider from 8/7/82 is easily my favorite post '74 version.

I was at this show, along with the next night. At the time 8/8/82 was the one that blew me away.

At some point in '86 I obtained a sweet very low-gen audience of most of the 2nd set of 8/7/82 (no Ship of Fools, no Drums, with a filler of Music>Sugaree>Music). I was completely amazed by the 2nd set material - a revelation as to a show I had actually "seen/heard." I dubbed the tape "Sacred Alpine" and for years it was much loved by myself and friends.

Jerry's picking flows beautifully during the China/Rider, and just when you think they're heading into Rider, Jerry and Brent drop into a "Feeling Groovy Jam" that goes straight to my heart, filled with Love, both present and lost. It has a soul all its own, unlike any of the early 70's versions. The Rider absolutely rips. Many, many times this sequence brought tears to my eyes.

The Wheel out of (a gorgeous) Space from this show is my favorite, bar none, (yes, a Sacred version), and the Morning Dew and the jam out of Playing are pretty damn good also.

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Poster: rdenirojb87 Date: Jun 9, 2012 11:20am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Best '80s China>Rider?

Wow, I'm kicking myself in the ass for not having heard this one until now. Unfortunately DP 32 is one of the 3 I don't have (5 and 33 are the others). I've never bothered to check out the aud until now, but damn what a excellent performance.

And thanks to Purple Gel for recommending that IKYR from 1981-12-09. Haven't heard that one in a few years, and was just as blown away as last time. Probably my favorite Brent-era IKYR.

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Poster: pinyonjay Date: Jun 9, 2012 12:34pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Best '80s China>Rider?

As to 8/7/82, the audience does a pretty damn good job of capturing the soul of this show. I'm fairly sure the source of my tape i nthe old days was the same as that transferred by Tony Suraci (definitely not the Ohr Weinberg FOB).

To my ears, the Board/Dick's Picks 32 adds clarity, but it's not a revelation. The CAVEAT EMPTOR statement for this release reads: "By now, after 11 years and 31 volumes of Dick's Picks, most of you ignore these dire audio warnings. Therefore, every once in awhile I need to remind you of the inherent problems of some of our music sources. The master for Alpine 8-7-82 is a cassette . . . yes, the lowly forgotten cassette. It is quite well preserved, but it is a sonically limited cassette none-the-less. In addition to that, because of overriding considerations at the time of the show, this mix is bass instrument shy. That being said, this is a great show, and that's the foremost DP consideration, right? So let the music and performance jump out and grab you, and enjoy! Love, J. N."

I was way excited when they released this show. When I received my copy I remember reading the phrase "bass instrument shy" and thinking WTF!!?? - you've got to be kidding!!??

"Spinning" DP 32 as I write this, the level for the bass at the beginning of China Cat is too high and, as a consequence, distorted - Healy appears to dial it down a short ways in. By the jam out of Playing, the bass is better defined, and its nuanced and sweet during Space as they roll into The Wheel. And then there's the Dew. . . .

When all is said and done, I think Mr. Norman's concluding remarks are spot on. A truly beautiful and special show. I've listened to the 2nd set 100+ times easily. Back in the day it changed my life.

A funny memory - my 11 year old brother was with me - before the show he said he wanted to hear On The Road Again - I said there was no way they would play it (big brother wrong again!) He called the gorgeous Peggy-O from the next night also.

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Poster: wisconsindead Date: Jun 9, 2012 2:38pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Best '80s China>Rider?

well dont miss out on all of the other gems from this damn fine show. The let it grow is easily one of the best i've ever heard and could very well be the one I'd pick if I could only have one, seriously killer stuff. The mamu > big river is great. The TMNS > sugaree > TMNS is interesting and pretty well done. On the road again, the wheel, playin and dont forget what is likely the best morning dew of 1982.

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Poster: sakanaband Date: Apr 18, 2013 10:28am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Best '80s China>Rider?

3/9/81 is fantastic. Thanks for all the other suggestions!

Mine were 3/3/81, 10/11/89 and the exceptionally killer 3/15/90.

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Poster: Reade Date: Jun 6, 2012 1:04pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Best '80s China ->;Rider?

To represent the latter part of the Brent era, hows about these two, both out of California::

This one for it's novelty
http://archive.org/details/gd1988-07-29.sbd.miller.106034.flac16
(Tracks 11,12,and 13)

This one cause it smokes
http://archive.org/details/gd1989-08-19.sbd.walker-scotton.miller.83775.sbeok.flac16
(Great transition jam and Jerome's solos in IKYR are tasty)


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Poster: Purple Gel Date: Jun 5, 2012 9:49am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Best '80s China>Rider?

My favorite is this Boulder Colorado show. The Rider is epic.

http://archive.org/details/gd81-12-09.sbd.clugston.13061.sbeok.shnf

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Poster: deadpolitics Date: Jun 6, 2012 4:57pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Best '80s China>Rider?

NICE!

Great sound quality and super on-point playing. The transition jam from Scarlet to Fire is pretty sweet. Brent's got a great tone on the organ and he and Jerry have a nice section together right before Fire.

Never heard this before! Thanks for the heads up!

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Poster: stratocaster Date: Jun 5, 2012 10:47am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Best '80s China>Rider?

I concur in waves...others of note, 10-11-1983 is a great version and a long jammy version is 04-14-1982, definitely worth a listen...

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Poster: RBNW....new and improved! Date: Jun 5, 2012 11:33am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Best '80s China>Rider?

long jammy?? them ones with the feet ???

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Poster: rdenirojb87 Date: Jun 5, 2012 1:35pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Best '80s China>Rider?

Haha.

By the way, what I really meant is "best Brent-era China>Rider." I like to divide the eras up by keyboardist.

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Jun 5, 2012 7:22pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Best '80s China>Rider?

11/24/79

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Poster: BornEasement Date: Jun 6, 2012 8:46am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Best '80s China>Rider?

haha I was about to rant and rave at this post... WHAT!?!? NO 06-26-74???? NOTHING FROM EUROPA!?!? WHAT BOUT THOSE TASTY 73 JAMS!!!???

but, given this restriction, all of these suggestions apply. though the 79 one takes the cake for me.

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Poster: DelawareRob Date: Apr 17, 2013 1:37pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Best '80s China>Rider?

http://archive.org/details/gd1985-10-26.sbd.miller.33929.sbeok.flac16

This one's the best in my opinion. Heard a lot of good ones, but the way the band collectively is just ALL OVER IT here makes me think it's the best one. Jerry cooks all the way through.

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Apr 17, 2013 5:30pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Really Good and Not So '80s China>Rider?

From the spring of that year, with mostly the same pre-drums (but no CM remaster) > http://archive.org/details/gd85-04-14.sbd.jeffm.3667.sbeok.shnf

The crowd was nutty, but the playing was sloppy > http://archive.org/details/gd1989-03-30.sbd.walker-scotton.miller.81531.sbeok.flac16

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Poster: DelawareRob Date: Apr 17, 2013 6:13pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Really Good and Not So '80s China>Rider?

The Irvine show is my favorite Looks Like Rain of all time. I was at the Greensboro show. Hell of a good time!